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icycalm
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I just found out that there is no way to give descriptions to players in TaleSpire. No way to type “You enter the ruined keep and see the remains of a recent battle.” Poor GMs are resorting to hidden minis that act as narrators in order to convey any information to their players. Basic day 1 VTT functionality is STILL missing from TaleSpire because none of its developers play games so they have no way to figure out what to prioritize. You must cease all development asap—including the artists—until the above functionality is put in. You MUST grasp the meaning of “priorities” because you are building so much resentment against you in the community that the moment a competitive platform becomes viable, everyone will drop you like a hot potato. No more arrogance: just do what we need done to use your product! We NEED to describe things to players! That’s how roleplaying works! Just trust me on this and put it in! And watch how grateful the community becomes when you announce it, and how much goodwill it will buy you for when you end up needing it! (and you’ll be needing it very, very soon because Menyr launches in June and you best believe we’ll be able to describe things to our players there on day 1).
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Gaeden
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Gaeden
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Hi, I'm not sure if you mean that you want the words to pop up on the screen, but they'll always be on the chat/message tab with any rolls. If you've selected a mini, it will show up in the message tab as the mini's name, and if not, it will show up as the GM's name, and the messages will stay in the log should anyone want to scroll up to recap anything. If you need any help, I'd be happy to show you in a discord call or in Talespire.
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Wintoli
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Wintoli
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Mate have you ever just tried...I don't know....saying the description out loud?

"You must cease all development asap—including the artists—until the above functionality is put in"

Like you just sound like a jerk lmao, you can't just order the dev team around for the tiniest feature that you can already pretty much do when they have 1000 other things on their plate (that they communicate abt quite well). What good would stopping the artists do lol?

 You can put a request for the feature on their feature request forums, but thinking they'll delay it out of spite is just mental. Try being a lil kinder if you actually want devs to listen and not write you off as a crybaby.


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erniihazard
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Running ttrpgs is pretty messy, and no 2 tables run the same. Ive been running games in Talespire for over a year, and I dont even consider myself an expert.... Having said that, every problem you suggest is life of death for the project has simple workarounds that many DMs figure out on their own. 

The feature you are suggesting has already been suggested multiple times in multiple formats, and already appears on the games in progress features. You just have to be patient, improvise, or use a different vtt. 
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icycalm
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Yes, I want the words to pop up on the screen so the players can see them. And it is my understanding that you can’t type anything as “GM”, you can only type as a mini. That’s why people use “narrator” minis. I saw a thread on Reddit about this. My email is icycalm@culture.vg. I am trying to get a campaign started soon, and I need all the help I can get. I also need to be able to change mini names, often in the middle of a game, I need to be able to save chatlogs, and a hundred other things. Hopefully mods will help and I do have a programmer helping me with those, but it seems there are a mountain of difficulties and as a result I’ve been trying to start this campaign for a year and still haven’t managed it. Bouncyrock refuses to help with anything. In fact I know that asking for something will make them intentionally delay it out of spite.
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iBeSmiley
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iBeSmiley
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If the thing holding you back from starting a campaign are these things, you are probably never going to start a campaign. You can easily change mini names in game with a right click option. just start the campaign or stop complaining about the resources you have been given and move on to another ttrpg program. 
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morfedel
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morfedel
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CULTicycalm, I find it extraordinary your own arrogance. They will drop this product like a hot potato because of this one thing? You need to open your eyes and see how well it is doing already. 

And you know what? Most people just play in discord and SAY IN VOICE what you seem to think needs to be narrated by text on a screen. Just like they do with face to face games. I mean, its almost ubiquitous. Have you ever played in a face to face game? What, do they go and type those descriptions to you there?

I'm utterly astounded at how you seem to think everyone else thinks like you. We don't. And you accuse THEM of arrogance. How hysterical. 

This one item is not going to be the nail in the coffin, and you need to stop acting like a fool. 

and intentionally delay out of spite? WTF is your problem. 
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GMWorkshop
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Great update! Super excited to work with a dev now on some of these API integrations!
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icycalm
icycalm
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iBeSmiley, I will start my campaign, and it will be the best ever ran on the program. Precisely due to this, I need a ton of details to work perfectly. Your advice is the kind of advice that leads to lame campaigns with bad voice acting and ships that look like buckets.
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icycalm
icycalm
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The reason the artists should also stop working until the ability to describe is added in is to teach the importance of priorities. I would even stop eating if I was them. No eating until this essential VTT feature is in. That’s how winning is done. You either grasp priorities and acquire a work ethic, or you lose your business entirely to people who grasp these things. As for voice acting, I am a GM not a voice actor, and my campaigns wipe the floor with everyone’s on Twitch precisely because I understand this distinction.
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Gaeden
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Gaeden
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The devs of Talespire go above and beyond for their community, putting effort into every aspect they can and do a wonderful job with it. Even with the game being in early access, it's a fan favourite platform. One small detail that's not to your liking seems a bit strange to warrant such hatred. I understand that you're probably the type to be rather arrogant and entitled, but the devs of Bouncyrock have garnered a loyal and friendly community because of how much they care for their users and those users' input.
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erniihazard
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I always gave you the benefit of the doubt in the past when I see your posts, even this one I assumed came from a sincere place, but this is definitely bait. Im disappointed I didnt spot it sooner tbh.
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chiiiia
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chiiiia
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This is for sure bait 😂

No one mentioned "voice acting". What was suggested was speaking your descriptions out loud... that's like, how TTRPGs are played, that's the main purpose of a DM. Not to be a voice actor, just regular people playing D&D, describing what's happening in the game.

I've been DMing in person and online for a few years now and I can safely say I have never needed a player to read a description.

"my campaigns wipe the floor with everyone’s on Twitch precisely because I understand this distinction." 😂

First off, Twitch success is not what makes a great campaign. TTRPGs are not about streaming or Twitch, it's about the people at your table.

But also, 22 followers, last streamed 2 years ago, no saved videos. You're absolutely slaying the world of D&D streams bud 😂
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morfedel
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morfedel
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Importance of priorities? Maybe they have those and just dont agree on whats most important. 

Just because they are YOUR priorities doesnt make them anyone elses, including the other customers here. I'm a customer, and what you mention is damn near the most unimportant idea I've had. There are a LOT more things more important here, such as Fog of War. 

And everyone is going to prioritize eating over your ideas here. Jesus christ. 
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icycalm
icycalm
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Gaeden, you must be new here. I can find posts by demongund all over the internet decrying Bouncyrock’s dev policies and vowing to switch VTTs. Your PR-sounding opinion cannot stop the onslaught of Menyr and D&D, only hard AND smart work can do that. And maybe not even those.
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thefacknoonegives
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thefacknoonegives
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Menyr CLEARLY targets a different kind of audience than Talespire does.
Talespire is for people who like 3D AND a dwarven forge like style.
Menyr is for people who likes videogames and 3D.
None is wrong, none is right.
If you want Menyr so bad go teach its devs how to develop something, instead of making this devlog toxic for no good reason. 
You can just use discord and TALK, like everyone has ever done. 
And, if for you is MANDATORY that your players read the description, go and check alternatives.
Talespire devs are working towards their goals, not yours.
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